EDUDEAF: Hearing Aid Information

Key words: Information, Technologies for Deaf/HH

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:11:35 -0400
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Subject: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
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Edudeafers, I need some advice and resources.

I have a 3rd grader who has aids that are a mix between INE and INC. (PTA for the right ear is 52dB and the left is 55dB) As far as I'm concerned, they have no value educationally because they are not adaptable to any FM system. Her loss is substantial enough that she needs to wear a system, right?

Well, her hearing aid dealer(Miracle Ear) gave her these aids for free..through some Miracle Aid foundation. The mother and daughter were tinkled pink with the very discrete, free hearing aids. When my student came to school and realized that she needed to wear the BTE phonic ear she was not happy. Needless to say she hasn't worn the phonic ear consistently yet. Actually today was her first time this year. I only see this child for 30 minutes a week so, I have very little power of suggestion when I'm not there.

So, to make a long story short, her mother refuses to buy any hearing aids for her. (her insurance does not cover aids or hearing tests once a hearing loss has been established) I explained to the mother that there are many BTE hearing aids that are adaptable to an FM system so that she doesn't have the long cords hanging down (My students biggest hang up) I even suggested a free ear. The mother insisted that her daughter would not be happy with BTEs now that she has the canal aids. Are there any canal aids that have a T switch? If so, does miracle ear carry them. (miracle ear admitted they never considered the educational aspect when they chose aids for her) Does anyone know of any organization that will help with the cost of hearing tests and hearing aids BESIDES MIRACLE EAR! :-( If anyone has any suggestions for my parent please do not hesitate to share. Also, who pays for a free ear if it is an FM system as well. Do you think the district would pay?

Thanks for the help!

Tina Davis a frazzled first year teacher
ONC BOCES
Central NY

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:53:16 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

At 07:11 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Edudeafers, I need some advice and resources.

>I have a 3rd grader who has aids that are a mix between INE and INC. (PTA for the right ear is 52dB and the left is 55dB) As far as I'm concerned, they have no value educationally because they are not adaptable to any FM system. Her loss is substantial enough that she needs to wear a system, right?

Could she wear an FM system with headsets that fit over her entire ear instead of hooking into the aids? Or would it cause too much feedback. Audiologists?

Linda S

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:00:02 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

>Also, who pays for a free ear if it is an FM system as well. Do you think the district would pay?

If your district says it's being bought as an ALD, then the district MUST pay. Whether THEY acknowledge this is a different matter. If it's bought for the hearing aid component, a whole nother debate!

Linda S

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:21:35 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
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At 09:53 PM 10/7/96 -0400, Linda Semesky wrote:

>At 07:11 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote:

>>Edudeafers, I need some advice and resources.
I have a 3rd grader who has aids that are a mix between INE and INC. (PTA for the right ear is 52dB and the left is 55dB) As far as I'm concerned, they have no value educationally because they are not adaptable to any FM system. Her loss is substantial enough that she needs to wear a system, right?

>Could she wear an FM system with headsets that fit over her entire ear instead of hooking into the aids? Or would it cause too much feedback. Audiologists?

INE = In The Ear

INC = In The Canal

These types of aids are very small and self contained, i.e. no tone hook, tube, or earmold. They have no boot for an FM system. My guess is thata full headset would cause considerable feedback.

Chris
Chris deHahn.....CdH.....System, Network, CAE Administrator >>
Sun Microsystems, Inc....dehahn@tiac.net...'91 Buell RS1200 >>

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:22:59 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

At 10:00 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Also, who pays for a free ear if it is an FM system as well. Do you think the district would pay? If your district says it's being bought as an ALD, then the district MUST pay.

True, but they have every right to keep it on school grounds. It is their property, not the child's.

Chris
Chris deHahn.....CdH.....System, Network, CAE Administrator >> << Sun Microsystems, Inc....dehahn@tiac.net...'91 Buell RS1200 >>

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:47:48 -0400
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
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At 10:22 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote:

>At 10:00 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote:

>>Also, who pays for a free ear

>>>if it is an FM system as well. Do you think the district would pay?

>>If your district says it's being bought as an ALD, then the district MUST pay.

>True, but they have every right to keep it on school grounds. It is their property, not the child's.

A whole other debate....one of the laws says that if the team decides that the child needs the ALD in order to receive a Free Appropriate Public Education, it must go home. But each case must be decided based on the individual's needs...just because one child gets it, doesn't set a precedence for the next. This is a BIG area of debate and one of the major reasons we are ending up in due process with the school system. Think we've been round on this one already and realize that philosophically we're not going to agree whether it's the responsibility of the school system...But, here's the logic. If a child has homework to do at home, then school day does not end when the school bell rings. If that child requires the ALD to receive full benefit of assistance to complete that homework, then it becomes an extension of his schoolday. For ex., Alex is required to read a book every night or to have us read it if it is too hard for him. Without the ALD, he doesn't derive full benefit from our reading. There are other justifications, but this is the easiest to follow through.

Linda S

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:55:22 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

>These types of aids are very small and self contained, i.e. no tone hook, tube, or earmold. They have no boot for an FM system. My guess is that a full headset would cause considerable feedback.

Right. I know there's not a boot. It's just that I have deaf friends who wear headsets with their H/As and don't get feedback. But all of them have BTE aids. So, I don't know if it would work with this type of aid. Feedback is caused by sound leaking past the earmolds and being reamplified by the H/A mic back through the hearing aid which then lets sound leak past the earmolds again and is then reamplified by the H/A mic back through the H/A and so on til you get this horrendous squeal. Guess I was wondering if the aid fit tightly in the ear and there was no feedback to start with, would feedback occur just from having the source of the sound so close to the aid? If the ear canal was closed tightly, then there would be no noise escaping to be reamplified back into the H/A to cause a squeal. Somehow, it seems like I'm missing an important piece here that makes this picture too easy.

Linda S

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:22:49 -0400
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

Christofer deHahn wrote:

> These types of aids are very small and self contained, i.e. no tone hook, tube, or earmold. They have no boot for an FM system. My guess is that a full headset would cause considerable feedback.

Using the FM, coupled to the aids with boots, still has the cords dangling that many (especially older) kids object to. I understood the question to be whether Miracle Ear includes a telecoil so the FM system could be used with a neck loop. Audiologists?

Robin
henne@moose.ncia.net

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:20:36 -0700
Reply-To: A Practical Discussion List Regarding Deaf Education
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Subject: Re: 3rd grader with INC aids...advice for FM
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUDEAF

Linda Semesky wrote:

>These types of aids are very small and self contained, i.e. no tone hook, tube, or earmold. They have no boot for an FM system. My guess is that a full headset would cause considerable feedback.

Aside from the feedback issue there is the possible loss of the environmental microphones. These are generally integral with the aid. So if you cover them with a full headset, chances are they will not pick up anything but the FM. This is NG as the student will not be able to hear the other students.

FYI, the Comtek FM with the SmartMic option does not use the hearing aids environmental microphones. Instead there is a mike worn by the student which allows a "priority circuit" to work.

Jay

Uploaded by: Jessica Soltesz/Kent State University/Deaf Education Major