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Subj: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 96-12-30 10:00:10 EST
From: cng@THERIVER.COM (Cindy Neuroth-Gimbrone)
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Hello again!

As I read through Cathy's forwarded messages from various school sources on the internet, I wondered if Cathy and others might share their expertise with those us who are less knowledgeable. I appreciate the postings from Cathy and others that help us in the classroom and at home. Might I impose upon you all further to answer some questions that will help me get our school up and running?

1. From my address, you might be aware that I use a commercial ISP. I know there is a "branch" of the internet, a domain name for K-12 schools, I have been advised against using the one available to us here in Arizona because of its unreliability and the government's lack of support (read: cut funding soon :-). My question is, is there another alternative? It seems to me that there is another "branch" of the internet that ends in .org, my understanding is that this is for governmental agencies, does a school fit into this? Or is this whole set of questions irrelevant because I'm simply talking about a domain name and I'd still have to find an ISP to carry the school's account?

2. I'm considering mounting a homepage for the school on AOL. Has anyone done this? What are your feelings about it? Are there any schools that have already done this so I might take a look at the results?

I, too am self-taught as many of you are (I don't think you can count the computer training I had in college, we ran our programs on cards! Whole stacks of them! smile). I appreciate your input.

I think I am out of questions for today! :-)
Cindy

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Subj: Re: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 96-12-30 13:10:22 EST
From: careyp@earthlink.net (Phillip & Susan Carey)
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I stumbled upon this today.
http://www.classroom.net/classweb/
It has information about how to put your school on the web...

Susan Carey

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Subj: Re: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 96-12-30 21:46:51 EST
From: dehahn@TIAC.NET (Christofer deHahn)
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At 08:04 AM 12/30/96 -0600, Cindy Neuroth-Gimbr wrote:

>1. From my address, you might be aware that I use a commercial ISP. I know there is a "branch" of the internet, a domain name for K-12 schools, I have been advised against using the one available to us here in Arizona because of its unreliability and the government's lack of support (read: cut funding soon :-). My question is, is there another alternative? It seems to me that there is another "branch" of the internet that ends in .org, my understanding is that this is for governmental agencies, does a school fit into this? Or is this whole set of questions irrelevant because I'm simply talking about a domain name and I'd still have to find an ISP to carry the school's account? >

These 'branches' are called domains, and are based on the history and evolution of the Internet. Anyone can apply for a domain name through the InterNIC, the body which assigns Internet addresses and domains. Whether you get the domain and/or the addresses you request is another matter, as there have been many before you who may have already claimed them. Your ISP, and your school system have had to do this. Once they are assigned, their presence is replicated across the Internet through a facility called the Domain Name Service (DNS). This service lets anyone who has access to a DNS server (if you have Internet access, you most likely do) look up your domain and your address.

The domain suffixes are related to the orginization type and the aforementioned history:

If you are looking to put your school on the Internet, use an .edu domain. If your existing .k12.edu domain is unreliable, there's nothing stopping your from choosing an ISP and having them host your own .edu domain for your school. The InterNIC cost is $100 for two years, plus whatever the ISP wants for bookeeping fees, if any.

I would stay away from online services like AOL or Compuserve for a permanent home as their domain doesn't fit your needs, nor does their service. It's a place to start, but plan on moving on to a better home after you get your first Internet presence up.

Chris

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Subj: Re: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 96-12-30 22:51:36 EST
From: dhag@MTSI.COM (DeLores Wilson)
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What about domain suffixes such as 'us'? I work for the State of Oregon and my work email address is delores.m.wilson@state.or.us

Incidentally, we are encouraged to NOT use it for personal use.

DeLores Wilson

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Subj: Re: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 96-12-30 23:28:38 EST
From: dehahn@TIAC.NET (Christofer deHahn)
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The country codes are also part of the domain structure. Most domains within the USA don't use the .us domain country code. Again, history. It's not uncommon for state governments to use them, though, to delineate themselves from .gov domains which are primarily owned by the Federal government. And that, my friends, is some history that goes back waaaaay before the Internet was concieved 8^).

It's very common for domains in countries other than the USA to have their country code attached.

FWIW
Chris

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Subj: Movies with deafness theme/Internet
Date: 96-12-31 15:12:42 EST
From: cng@THERIVER.COM (Cindy Neuroth-Gimbrone)
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Thanks to Christopher DeHahn (did I spell your name correctly?) for the information about the internet. Point of clarification, from what you said does this mean I request to register a domain name from InterNIC and then I can contact any ISP to carry it? I'm wondering how cost effective this is? I understand in the long run, it is a better way to set up the system for the school, but it seems this is something that has to have a budget larger than $200 (which is the budget I am working with now). We're a pretty small school, K-3 only.

Thanks very much for your help, it is greatly appreciated!
Have a good day,
Cindy

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Subj: Re: Movies with deafness theme/Internet
Date: 97-01-01 10:33:18 EST
From: dehahn@TIAC.NET (Christofer deHahn)
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Any decent ISP worth hanging your school off of can and will register your domain name for you. Please note that the $100/2 years is only for domain name registration and maintenance. Internet access, home page hosting, etc. is not included.

Chris

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Subj: Re: Connecting a school to the internet
Date: 97-01-07 22:15:50 EST
From: dr.j@RDZ.STJOHNS.EDU (Jay Lucker)
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Cindy,

Yes, the school would have to make some connection with an ISP and hook into the internet. The suffix at the end of an internest listing is merely the protocol for internet to help identify the subscriber. .org is for organizations; .edu is usually for educational institutions; .com is for companies; .gov is for government; .mil is for the military, etc. (At least here in the U.S.)

One method which often works with schools is to hook through a local college or university. usually a grant can be obtained by a professor from the university with the school. Another way is go to a company that is public like ATT which now is an ISP. ATT may (I have no vested interest in them) hook a school to the net. Or go to Microsoft. They may be willing to get the school on the net with their own comercial software in order to get the kids "hooked" on the net via microsoft so the parents will want to purchase the microsoft programs and internet connection at home.

Good luck!

dr.j!

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